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Post by Travis Lannoye on Sept 5, 2013 8:15:50 GMT -5
That's technically your fault for having red mythic rares that are awesome. On another note, I wonder if the Murder King ever got a murder boner, or if he ever climbed aboard the murder train...
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Post by abeckett on Sept 6, 2013 20:11:42 GMT -5
Those have to be the lamest rare lands I have ever seen.
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Post by JediCheese on Sept 6, 2013 20:48:49 GMT -5
Oh, they are bad. But they aren't Tempest Rare land bad:
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Post by Zach on Sept 8, 2013 17:13:28 GMT -5
I mean they aren't TERRIBLE. X color control players are feeling pretty good right now.
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Post by John Galli on Sept 13, 2013 12:56:57 GMT -5
I posted this on my other team forums, but for those of you here that aren't on there, I highly suggest using this cards.xml file if you play on cockatrice- forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=535104The OP posts updates almost daily with the newly spoiled cards, and this set is absolutely fantastic so far. I completely misevaluated it when I first started looking over things, and we're only a little over half way spoiled. The scry lands are absolutely playable from what I've encountered so far, and so many of the rares seem format defining. I'm really impressed with the gods, the new legendary artifacts, and a million other things. Plus it looks like a slew of sweet EDH stuff too
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Post by crazedferret on Sept 17, 2013 7:25:39 GMT -5
Full spoiler up. John, Red deck looks baller with the red devotion cards. I can see a curve of ash zealot into Chandra's phoenix/boros reckoner into purphoros god of forge/fanatic of mogis into stormbreath dragon.
A black devotion deck looks intriguing to me as well. The nykthos shrine wouldn't be that hard to use with it either there are a lot of double black decent creatures (demon I'm looking at you).
A white green heroic deck looks good to me but I'm not sure if there are enough early drop heroic creatures to abuse. Turn one favored hoplight into turn two rancor and giant growth makes for an attacking 8/6 on turn two that sticks around as a 5/4.
I want devotion to blue to work, but not sure how it will as there aren't a ton of good playable early drops to hit turn four activation of the blue god thassa. Scry every turn at 3 mana seems useful to me.
Just some thoughts on possibilities
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Post by JediCheese on Sept 17, 2013 8:55:51 GMT -5
We were playtesting standard post-rotation at the shop this weekend. The most exciting decks were a little red, big red, and jund. U/R spells deck also looks interesting. There was another deck that was making a splash, but I've forgotten what it was.
The little red deck is interesting. It's so hyper aggro that it scares me (curve stops at 2)! Very few decks can stop it, and usually the counter is Anger of the Gods.
PS: Rancor is from M13 and rotates out of standard when Theros is in.
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Post by John Galli on Sept 17, 2013 10:00:24 GMT -5
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Post by JediCheese on Sept 17, 2013 14:13:27 GMT -5
John, do you have decklists?
I have both small and big red decklists. I can't post them publicly but if you want to take a look, I would be happy to fork the decklists over (as long as they aren't further spread widely).
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Post by John Galli on Sept 18, 2013 6:45:20 GMT -5
I have a whole bunch, but nothing I've felt was that good. Considering I test just about everything red I can't imagine there's anything in the lists you have that is going to shock me, but I'm always down for a PM with some good stuff. My builds have fluctuated a lot as I change the numbers, I usually do this a decent amount before I find something I'm comfortable with. The sideboards also have more singletons than what I'd take to a tournament due to it being in the testing phase. So warning, these are prototypes that haven't seen as many games as I'd like and not finished builds.
Also of Note - the UW build is from Ryan Hipp's article and is pretty awesome, I don't have a UB Control or G/B List but have seen some good ones, and my Naya list has tested well
Mono Red Sligh
4 Rakdos Cackler 4 Firedrinker Satyr 3 Legion Loyalist 4 Ash Zealot 4 Young Pyromancer 3 Chandra's Phoenix 2 Stormbreath Dragon
3 Chandra, Pyromaster
2 Lightning Strike 4 Magma Jet 4 Flames of the Firebrand
19 Mountain 4 Mutavault
Sideboard 4 Boros Reckoner (which probably needs to be main in every list) 2 Ratchet Bomb 2 Stormbreath Dragon 2 Burning Earth 1 Purphoros, God of the Forge 1 Electrickery 1 Act of Treason 1 Mizzium Mortars 1 Mountain
Big Red
4 Ash Zealot 4 Boros Reckoner 4 Chandra's Phoenix 3 Purphoros, God of the Forge 4 Stormbreath Dragon
4 Shock 4 Lightning Strike 4 Magma Jet
4 Chandra, Pyromaster
21 Mountain 4 Mutavault
Sideboard 3 Ratchet Bomb 3 Burning Earth 3 Skullcrack 3 Anger of the Gods 3 Mizzium Mortars
Mono Red Pyromancer
4 Rakdos Cackler 4 Firedrinker Saytr 4 Legion Loyalist 4 Burning-Tree Emissary 4 Firefist Striker 4 Young Pyromancer 2 Ash Zealot 3 Fanatic of Mogis
4 Dynacharge 4 Shock 2 Magma Jet 1 Weapon Surge
18 Mountain 2 Mutavault
Sideboard 3 Burning Earth 3 Electrickery 3 Skullcrack 3 Mizzium Mortars 2 Mutavault 1 Act of Treason
Mono Red Heroic
4 Rakdos Cackler 4 Firedrinker Saytr 4 Akroan Crusader 4 Burning-Tree Emissary 4 Firefist Striker 4 Gore-House Chainwalker 4 Ash Zealot 4 Rubblebelt Maaka
4 Madcap Skills 4 Ordeal of Purphoros 1 Shock
19 Mountain
Sideboard 4 Skullcrack 3 Mizzium Mortars 3 Electrickery 2 Toil // Trouble 2 Mugging 1 Act of Treason
Mono Red Blitz
4 Rakdos Cackler 4 Firedrinker Saytr 4 Legion Loyalist 4 Ash Zealot 4 Burning-Tree Emissary 4 Firefist Striker 4 Gore-House Chainwalker 4 Boros Reckoner 4 Rubblebelt Maaka
1 Act of Treason 4 Dynacharge
19 Mountain
Sideboard 4 Skullcrack 3 Mizzium Mortars 3 Mugging 2 Act of Treason 2 Electrickery 1 Toil // Trouble (and / or Frostburn Weird)
Purphoros Red
4 Rakdos Cackler 4 Firedrinker Satyr 4 Legion Loyalist 4 Foundry Street Denizen 4 Ash Zealot 4 Burning-Tree Emissary 4 Firefist Striker 4 Boros Reckoner 3 Purphoros, God of the Forge
2 Dynacharge 1 Hammer of Purphoros 2 Mizzium Mortars
20 Mountain
Naya Midrange
4 Sylvan Caryatid 4 Voice of Resurgence 3 Scavenging Ooze 2 Fleecemane Lion 3 Loxodon Smiter 4 Boros Reckoner 3 Ghor-Clan Rampager 4 Stormbreath Dragon
3 Domri Rade 1 Xenagos, the Reveler
2 Selesnya Charm 2 Mizzium Mortars
3 Forest 1 Plains 4 Sacred Foundry 4 Stomping Ground 4 Temple Garden 4 Temple of Abandon 4 Temple of Triumph 1 Selesnya Guildgate
Sideboard 3 Anger of the Gods 2 Unflinching Courage 2 Boros Charm 2 Destructive Revelry 2 Portent of Betrayal 1 Purphoros, God of the Forge 1 Assemble the Legion 1 Chained to Rocks 1 Xenagos, the Reveler
UWR Control
2 AEtherling
1 Elspeth, Sun's Champion 3 Jace, Architect of Thought
2 Azorius Charm 2 Detention Sphere 2 Dissolve 3 Magma Jet 4 Sphinx's Revelation 3 Steam Augury 4 Supreme Verdict 4 Syncopate 3 Turn // Burn
4 Azorius Guildgate 4 Hallowed Fountain 5 Island 1 Izzet Guildgate 2 Plains 4 Sacred Foundry 4 Steam Vents 3 Temple of Triumph
Sideboard 1 AEtherling 1 Angel of Serenity 4 Boros Reckoner 2 Counterflux 2 Dispel 2 Lavinia of the Tenth 3 Anger of the Gods
UW Thassa Control
4 Frostburn Weird 4 Master of Waves 4 Thassa, God of the Sea 3 Lavinia of the Tenth
3 Jace, Architect of Thought
3 Azorius Charm 3 Claustrophobia 4 Detention Sphere 2 Essence Scatter 2 Spear of Heliod 2 Sphinx's Revelation 2 Voidwalk
4 Azorius Guildgate 4 Hallowed Fountain 10 Island 1 Mutavault 1 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx 4 Plains
Sideboard (none at the moment)
Mezzel Red (a popular online player I attribute the idea to)
4 Rakdos Cackler 4 Firedrinker Saytr 4 Burning-Tree Emissary 4 Firefist Striker 4 Ash Zealot 4 Chandra's Phoenix 4 Fanatic of Mogis
4 Magma Jet 4 Shock 2 Lightning Strike
19 Mountain 3 Mutavault
Sideboard 2 Burning Earth 4 Flames of the Firebrand 1 Glaring Spotlight 2 Ratchet Bomb 4 Skullcrack 2 Peak Eruption
Mono Red Pyro take 2
4 Rakdos Cackler 4 Firedrinker Saytr 4 Burning-Tree Emissary 4 Firefist Striker 4 Young Pyromancer 4 Chandra's Phoenix 3 Purphoros, God of the Forge
4 Shock 4 Lightning Strike 4 Magma Jet
18 Mountain 3 Mutavault
Sideboard 4 Skullcrack 4 Mizzium Mortars 2 Act of Treason 2 Electrickery 2 Toil // Trouble 1 Chandra, Pyromaster
Mono Red Tokens
4 Boros Reckoner 4 Chandra's Phoenix 4 Purphoros, God of the Forge
4 Ratchet Bomb 4 Lightning Strike 4 Magma Jet 4 Shock 3 Flames of the Firebrand 4 Goblin Rally
21 Mountain 4 Mutavault
Sideboard 4 Stormbreath Dragon 3 Mizzium Mortars 2 Skullcrack 2 Burning Earth 1 Chandra, Pyromaster 1 Electrickery 1 Act of Treason 1 Mountain
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Post by Zach on Sept 18, 2013 13:54:39 GMT -5
I REALLY like young pyromancer in mono red. He and magma jet make for a nice 3 for 1 spell.
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Post by John Galli on Sept 19, 2013 15:58:51 GMT -5
I've recently been playing with a lot of Mono Black and B/W lists. This list I made has been straight bananas ;D. Gray Merchant + Whip is SO dirty
4 Lifebane Zombie 4 Nightveil Specter 4 Desecration Demon 2 Erebos, God of the Dead 4 Gray Merchant of Asphodel
2 Whip of Erebos 2 Underworld Connections
4 Thoughtseize 4 Doom Blade 4 Hero's Downfall
4 Mutavault 22 Swamp
Sideboard 3 Ratchet Bomb 2 Devour Flesh 2 Ultimate Price 2 Pharika's Cure 2 Duress 1 Dark Betrayal 1 Erebos, God of the Dead 1 Underworld Connections 1 Whip of Erebos
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Post by JediCheese on Sept 19, 2013 16:13:22 GMT -5
Grey merchant is life loss. Lifelink only triggers when you do damage. You don't gain double lifegain due to Whip.
I don't know if the deck can support 4 mutavault.
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Post by John Galli on Sept 19, 2013 16:34:48 GMT -5
A.) I wasn't talking about that interaction. I was talking about the fact that Gray triggers his trigger again when he's whipped into the battlefield.
B.) x4 Vaults is perfectly fine, Big Red supported that with virtually the same curve
C.) I've actually tested this deck, it's awesome
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Post by John Galli on Sept 19, 2013 16:40:09 GMT -5
Only potential problem I could see are opposing Erebos's, but the deck does run x4 Thoughtseize
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