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Post by John Galli on Aug 11, 2011 9:23:38 GMT -5
So I've been slacking recently on rebuilding a budget deck and Travis mentioned last night to try Sedris again. I rebuilt him last night so I'll be bringing it to EDH (should be close to $50). Others of you who have their budget decks should bring them and those who haven't made one all have the cards to do so, so try and put something together if you can. It'd be nice to get a $50 Emperor or $50 Two-headed game going if possible Edit** - I just noticed on a forums about confusion in the ranks and unearth. Whoaaaaa nellllie. Wish I had brought that card from home
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Post by Travis Lannoye on Aug 11, 2011 11:39:50 GMT -5
My Sharuum deck is up to about 75 foils right now, give or take what might be coming in today's mail. If you can manage to avoid being blinded by the shininess of all those foils, I suggest bringing your $50 decks as well. John, can we get a look at the new list? I need something to do on my lunch break today.
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Post by John Galli on Aug 11, 2011 12:25:03 GMT -5
Since I already had 4 edh decks assembled this list is missing a few pieces I've used in the past. Here it is tho-
General (1) 1 Sedris, the Traitor King
Instants (8) 1 Pulse of the Grid 1 Catalog 1 Frantic Search 1 Insidious Dreams 1 Crosis's Charm 1 Brainstorm 1 Perplex 1 Thirst for Knowledge
Sorceries (13) 1 Careful Study 1 Beseech the Queen 1 Ideas Unbound 1 Stitch Together 1 Life's Finale 1 Demonic Collusion 1 Buried Alive 1 Living Death 1 Diabolic Tutor 1 Probe 1 Compulsive Research 1 Disaster Radius 1 Brainspoil
Enchantments (5) 1 Mental Discipline 1 Tortured Existence 1 Attunement 1 Animate Dead 1 Compulsion
Artifacts (11) 1 Mind Stone 1 Expedition Map 1 Rakdos Signet 1 Izzet Signet 1 Dimir Signet 1 Darksteel Ingot 1 Talisman of Dominance 1 Talisman of Indulgence 1 Fellwar Stone 1 Prophetic Prism 1 Nihil Spellbomb
Creatures (25) 1 Anarchist 1 Body Double 1 Puppeteer Clique 1 Pathrazer of Ulamog 1 Fleshbag Marauder 1 Sundering Titan 1 Trinket Mage 1 Bogardan Hellkite 1 Ingot Chewer 1 Chancellor of the Spires 1 Drift of Phantasms 1 Volrath's Shapeshifter 1 Quicksilver Gargantuan 1 Blood Tyrant 1 Garza Zol, Plague Queen 1 Wrexial, the Risen Deep 1 Corpse Connoisseur 1 Avatar of Slaughter 1 Izzet Chronarch 1 Hellkite Charger 1 Thraximundar 1 Phyrexian Delver 1 Thunder Dragon 1 Igneous Pouncer 1 Vengeful Pharaoh
Lands (37) 1 Terramorphic Expanse 1 Izzet Boilerworks 1 Dimir Aqueduct 1 Rakdos Carnarium 1 Command Tower 1 Jwar Isle Refuge 1 Akoum Refuge 1 Vivid Marsh 1 Vivid Creek 1 Bojuka Bog 1 Cephalid Coliseum 1 Tainted Peak 1 Tainted Isle 1 Crumbling Necropolis 1 Dragonskull Summit 11 Island 8 Swamp 3 Mountain
I forgot to put in my Sphinx of Lost Truths from home and as mentioned there are a number of cards I would normally use that are in other decks. List will still probably be fun to play tho.
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Post by Travis Lannoye on Aug 11, 2011 16:04:26 GMT -5
Just an FYI...Command Tower is still worth about $3-4, and Cephalid Coliseum is about $4-5. If you find yourself needing to trim some cap space, I'd maybe consider cutting those two for something like Rupture Spire or Evolving Wilds. Those two moves would save you about $8. If you need even more, Brainstorm is still at $2, but Sphinx of Lost Truths is only $0.50.
Also, I see that damn Sundering Titan in there. Guess I'll have to start playing Trickbind or something...
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Post by John Galli on Aug 11, 2011 23:10:02 GMT -5
Didn't realize cephalid coliseum was that high, I can easily cut that no biggie.
As for Command Tower, I thought the group had generally agreed that we could use cards from the commander decks since the prices are pretty arbitrary. I mean first off, almost everyone owns those decks or cards from them, and the prices online are so exorbitantly overpriced in comparison to just buying one of the given decks.
I ran out of extra evolving wilds to use, but if I break apart some other decks I could probably throw it in. I hate rupture spire and will only seldomly use it in my edh decks, I'd rather throw in a basic or one of the other non-basics in my box.
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Post by Travis Lannoye on Aug 12, 2011 8:18:07 GMT -5
I'll throw you an extra Evolving Wilds next time we play, which unfortunately will not be tonight.
Yeah, Coliseum is only that big because it's old and it's very popular in Legacy Dredge.
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Post by John Galli on Aug 12, 2011 16:17:56 GMT -5
makes sense, I cut coliseum, dragonskull summit, vengeful pharaoh, thunder dragon, and a few others that were upping the deck cost, it's just about $50 now.
Btw, I was planning on going to Witte's tonight for cards, how come you can't play? Also, Ryan and Pat are you guys coming?
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Post by abeckett on Aug 24, 2011 13:40:42 GMT -5
I know Travis mentioned it, but I was wondering if there ever was a decision about using commader deck cards in the $50 format.
Command Tower aside (which I'm fine with allowing), I'd like to rebuild Kraj as Edric. However his price is still ridiculous and totally unwarranted. He's like $10 at most stores, despite not seeing any play.
I doubt anyone is going to run out and build around some super-expensive P3K legend, but the change would open up some extra space for decent legends who might be just a litte too spendy to include.
Maybe some rule like "Cards made specifically for the Commander products and only available in those decks count as $1 towards your total deck value. Cards reprinted in the Commander products still count at their normal retail values."
Second line is more so we don't have to deal with people trying to use a loophole for more expensive cards printed in the decks...Garruk, Sol Ring, Solemn, etc.
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Post by John Galli on Aug 24, 2011 16:55:53 GMT -5
I'm in complete agreement with what you said Andrew, that's basically how I've treated it thus far
I need to build another budget deck at some point too, my Sedris one is fun but fairly one-track-minded
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Post by Travis Lannoye on Aug 25, 2011 9:30:24 GMT -5
The one change that I was thinking about making was this: "The Commander itself does not count towards the price of the deck".
The theory is to allow more commanders to be played without eating into the cap space too much. Granted, someone COULD potentially make a deck with a P3K legend, but that's enough of a long shot that I'm willing to let it slide. More importantly, it should allow people who happen upon a random commander like Edric or Rafiq or either Akroma to not be penalized as much.
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Post by John Galli on Aug 25, 2011 15:54:19 GMT -5
I prefer the way Andrew outlined it though because I'm not about to spend $120 on Commander cards and then not use them in the game they were intended for. I'd like to play more budget games, but I feel it's ridiculous to not be able to use Command Tower or the other goodies on a price exclusion that's simply created by Wizards lack of product.
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Post by Travis Lannoye on Aug 25, 2011 17:04:23 GMT -5
Here I'm at a bit of a crossroads.
On the one hand, I am in favor of opening up this format (can we call it a format?) to a wider selection of commanders, for diversity purposes.
On the other hand, the whole point of the $50 cap concept is that it's supposed to prevent people from using more expensive and harder-to-find cards, whether that card is more expensive because it's really old (Taiga) or because it's in a limited-edition box set (Command Tower).
The reason I am open to bending the cap rule for Commanders is that one's entire deck is built around them, so it isn't easy to just swap one out for another and get the same result (five-color guys like Cromat or Atogatog might be the exception, but I digress). Furthermore, most commanders have unique and irreplaceable abilities, which is usually the reason why we chose them in the first place. For example, I love me some Geth-ing, cuz nobody does what he does better. Conversely, Command Tower is really just used for mana-fixing, which has a lot of alternatives that provide similar results. The catch here is that some color combinations just don't have as many viable fixing options as others do.
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Post by John Galli on Aug 26, 2011 11:01:34 GMT -5
yeah I'm solely talking about allowing the Commander cards, or considering them $1 cards like Andrew mentioned. I have no interest in allowing other pre-con cards to be involved, reprints of cards, or $150 Portal Three Kingdoms generals.
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Post by abeckett on Aug 26, 2011 13:12:03 GMT -5
FWIW, Command Tower is like a $3 card now. I just picked up an extra set recently for like $10 shipped off ebay. I imagine the price will continue to drop as the decks are likely going to have several print runs.
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Post by Travis Lannoye on Oct 4, 2011 15:55:36 GMT -5
I brought up several potential changes to the $50 Cap variation of EDH here: forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=361186. I got some interesting responses, specifically the one about the different pricing sites. I'm curious to know what others think about it.
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