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Post by Travis Lannoye on Aug 29, 2011 15:16:52 GMT -5
For those of you who are interested in building a Pod deck for the Modern format, do yourself a favor and read this HUGE three-part article by Craig Wescoe: magic.tcgplayer.com/db/article.asp?ID=9952. He's basically published all of his recent work on Pod, including lists, card choices, and extensive testing results with over a dozen different decks. He even managed to post some testing videos. This is definitely something to check out if Pod is anywhere on your Modern radar. Also, I love this quote from his first article describing the format in general: "The more I think about, test, and discuss the format, the more I am of the opinion that degeneracy is the most important trait in a competitive Modern deck. There is no time for being cute, no reason to play fair, and no shortage of enablers to set up a degenerate combination of cards". |
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Post by John Galli on Aug 29, 2011 15:52:56 GMT -5
Ha you just beat me to the punch. This article series is so awesome
And honestly, POD in general is something we all have access to, I could easily see picking up the rest of the landbase and have all of us play this at a PTQ or 5k at some point. I think there is even a Modern Grand Prix in the works. This is of course assuming the deck idea pans out.
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Post by Travis Lannoye on Aug 29, 2011 16:18:16 GMT -5
Ha you just beat me to the punch. This article series is so awesome And honestly, POD in general is something we all have access to, I could easily see picking up the rest of the landbase and have all of us play this at a PTQ or 5k at some point. I think there is even a Modern Grand Prix in the works. This is of course assuming the deck idea pans out. Poding = Winning One small note, however: the landbase is NOT gonna be cheap. - Breeding Pool = $35 - Grove of the Burnwillows = $20 * 4 = $80 - Misty Rainforest/Verdant Catacombs = $10 * 8 = $80 - Overgrown Tomb = $20 - Stomping Ground = $22 * 2 = $44 - Temple Garden = $18 - Watery Grave = $25 That comes to roughly $300 just for the lands. Granted, these prices are VERY rough estimates, and all of these lands are gonna be extremely good investments for Modern and/or EDH. Still, unless you've been a pack rat like me and saved all of your lands from previous formats, odds are you are going to have a pretty hefty price tag in your future. I'm just glad that he ended up not running any Vendilion Cliques at about $30 apiece. That damn thing has gone nowhere but up in price ever since it was printed, and I'm really kicking myself for not making that investment when it was below $10 apiece. it's another one of those cards that is so versatile and is never a bad card to cast (kinda like Solemn Simulacrum). Really wish I had some of those. |
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Post by matth on Aug 29, 2011 22:21:54 GMT -5
No one should pick up any cards until after the PT, and the duals are on a massive bubble because no one's willing to risk spending $300 on land when Wizards will probably reprint the shocks either in M13 or Ravnica II:Shockland Boogaloo next fall.
As for the deck, wow. He's adapted it to every deck that could be thrown at it, and it will adapt to whatever comes out in Philly, like that Amulet of Vigor/Summer Bloom deck that no one has a list for and can hypothetically power out 7 mana on turn 2 with a Karoo. Ethersworn Canonist x2 is already in the board, plus the Magi, so that shouldn't be a problem anyway.
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Post by John Galli on Aug 30, 2011 8:49:39 GMT -5
Yeah Travis, I think the acquiring would be an overtime thing, but you're right that's a bigger chunk of cash than I first realized. (i have x1 Temple Garden and x4 Catacombs)
I don't like how Wescoe makes so many changes so rapidly, I agree with adapting to matchups, but he seems to let go of some cards before really knowing how well they work in the deck. Still, the series is pure awesome and probably one of the most worthwhile reads for MTG.
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Post by Travis Lannoye on Aug 30, 2011 11:44:34 GMT -5
Yeah Travis, I think the acquiring would be an overtime thing, but you're right that's a bigger chunk of cash than I first realized. (i have x1 Temple Garden and x4 Catacombs) I don't like how Wescoe makes so many changes so rapidly, I agree with adapting to matchups, but he seems to let go of some cards before really knowing how well they work in the deck. Still, the series is pure awesome and probably one of the most worthwhile reads for MTG. Early on, my golden rule of thumb for modern decks is to start with the mana-base and make sure the price tag is reasonable (or at least make sure I still have most of it). Because shocks and fetches and Groves and Vesuvas are so high right now, it's really going to make things difficult. I also noticed that he seemed to make a lot of changes after just one or two matches. That's one thing I definitely preferred with LSV's Running the Gauntlet series: he always makes sure to play three complete matches INCLUDING sideboards before he makes any changes to his list. I think that gives him a much better indicator of how things would play out than just a couple games. For example, I played three matches last night with my Bloodchief deck against green 12 post, and I got hammered pretty bad. However, I wouldn't have learned nearly as much about the matchup if I had just played a game or two here and there. Sideboarding also helped a lot...it took me awhile to figure out which cards I didn't want in that matchup (Path, Helix). |
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Post by John Galli on Aug 30, 2011 11:50:15 GMT -5
I was curious to see if bloodchief could be a competitive deck again. It certainly has all the tools available so let me know how testing goes with that.
One deck Wescoe played against which I found hilarious was this one-
Pitch World by Gavin Verhey
Main Deck
Sideboard
3 Chancellor of the Annex
4 Chancellor of the Dross
4 Chancellor of the Forge
4 Memnite
4 Ornithopter
4 Progenitus
4 Street Wraith
Creatures [27]
4 Blazing Shoal
4 Coalition Victory
4 Commandeer
1 Conflux
4 Fury of the Horde
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Reaper King
4 Shining Shoal
4 Soul Spike
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Post by Travis Lannoye on Aug 30, 2011 11:56:00 GMT -5
Yeah, I saw that Pitch World thing...looks funny, but not competitive.
The Bloodchief deck seems to have a really great matchup against a lot of aggro decks (since it has almost infinite removal). Bloodchief Ascension and Psychogenic Probe really punish people for their wacky manabases full of shocks and fetches.
Unfortunately, the first version I made is pretty awful against 12 Post, and that's like having a bad CawBlade matchup in Standard before Stoneforge Mystic was banned - unacceptable. If I can't shore up this matchup with something like Molten Rain or (heaven forbid) Thoughtseize, I'll probably move onto something else.
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Post by John Galli on Sept 7, 2011 12:22:58 GMT -5
Here's the highest finishing Pod build from Pro Tour Philly (24 points)
Lukas Jaklovsky - 24 Points
Pro Tour Philadelphia, Modern Constructed
Main Deck
60 cards
2 Godless Shrine
4 Misty Rainforest
2 Overgrown Tomb
1 Razorverge Thicket
1 Sunpetal Grove
1 Temple Garden
1 Twilight Mire
4 Verdant Catacombs
16 lands
1 Acidic Slime
4 Birds of Paradise
1 Eternal Witness
1 Fulminator Mage
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Kitchen Finks
3 Melira, Sylvok Outcast
1 Murderous Redcap
1 Noble Hierarch
1 Obstinate Baloth
1 Ranger of Eos
1 Reveillark
1 Sun Titan
1 Tidehollow Sculler
3 Viscera Seer
4 Wall of Roots
29 creatures
4 Birthing Pod
3 Chord of Calling
4 Snow-Covered Forest
2 Snow-Covered Swamp
2 Thoughtseize
15 other spells
Sideboard
1 Entomber Exarch
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Harmonic Sliver
1 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
1 Nekrataal
1 Orzhov Pontiff
4 Path to Exile
1 Shriekmaw
1 Spellskite
1 Tar Fiend
2 Thoughtseize
15 sideboard cards
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Post by Travis Lannoye on Nov 28, 2011 15:57:44 GMT -5
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Post by Travis Lannoye on Feb 28, 2012 14:50:37 GMT -5
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