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Post by Travis Lannoye on Sept 20, 2011 8:19:07 GMT -5
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Post by John Galli on Sept 20, 2011 9:20:44 GMT -5
I love that they didn't do any unbannings. TAKE THAT JACE!!  |
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Post by abeckett on Sept 20, 2011 11:57:18 GMT -5
Boooooo
Ponder/Preordain just gets replaced by Sleight of Hand/Serum Visions. Splinter Twin remains the deck to beat.
GSZ banning just plain stinks, as does most of the justifications for why it got the axe. It's a good card but has a serious restriction. You just make it so zoo decks have to run 3-4 copies of each answer card now. Should have waited to ban.
Cloudpost is not a shocker, but Emrakul still casts a shadow over the format. Decks will just focus more now on pulling off Through the Breach/Goryo's Vengeance combos to cheat her into play. I guess I can dust off my tron pieces now.
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Post by Travis Lannoye on Sept 20, 2011 12:41:14 GMT -5
Agreed on most of this and how it just doesn't seem to do anything.
None of the cards that they banned are the real problem with the format. People don't hate Preordain, they hate Spliter Twin. People don't hate Cloudpost, they hate Emrakul. People don't hate GSZ, they hate the creatures it digs up.
Very unimpressed by these bannings, even more turned off of Modern right now.
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Post by John Galli on Sept 20, 2011 14:17:57 GMT -5
cloudpost into Kozilek isn't any better. . .
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Post by abeckett on Sept 20, 2011 14:21:12 GMT -5
Yes, Cloudpost is/was a problem for the format when it comes to casting any Eldrazi. However, there remain a number of ways to still cheat Emrakul into play. She's the biggest concern of the Eldrazi because she's Path to Exile proof.
The other Eldrazi can just be exiled/killed before the attack step. Also, you usually will have a turn to deal with them before they start swinging away. A hard cast Emrakul does other evil things.
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Post by Travis Lannoye on Sept 20, 2011 15:06:28 GMT -5
Yes, Cloudpost is/was a problem for the format when it comes to casting any Eldrazi. However, there remain a number of ways to still cheat Emrakul into play. She's the biggest concern of the Eldrazi because she's Path to Exile proof. The other Eldrazi can just be exiled/killed before the attack step. Also, you usually will have a turn to deal with them before they start swinging away. A hard cast Emrakul does other evil things. This is exactly why Emrakul is a far bigger threat than either Kozilek or Ulamog: there are so many more outs to both of them than for Emrakul. Look at EDH as another example: when Emrakul was legal, there were only a small handful of cards that could effectively deal with it, but everyone already plays a number of outs to either Kozilek or Ulamog. |
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Post by matth on Sept 20, 2011 17:47:21 GMT -5
I agree with everyone here, especially for GSZ, which wasn't even abused more than any other utility card. Might as well ban Lightning Bolt too.
Through the Breach/Emrakul was already being talked about and it's still completely legal except for slightly worse library manipulation. Expect plenty of that at the next big event.
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Post by niickopotamus on Sept 20, 2011 21:20:09 GMT -5
I don't play outside of standard or EDH but how was Cloudpost being abused to the extent it needed banning? If anyone could fill me in on that.
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Post by Travis Lannoye on Sept 21, 2011 8:25:21 GMT -5
Between Cloudpost, Glimmerpost, and Vesuva, you could reliably get up to 6 or 7 mana on turn 3 or 4, cast a Primeval Titan for a couple more Cloudposts, and hard-cast Emrakul by turn four or five.
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Post by John Galli on Sept 21, 2011 14:34:28 GMT -5
I liked Finkel's suggestion, they should have just brought back wasteland ;D
Honestly, the format doesn't look very fresh, pretty sure Magic is failing hard across the board. And Wizards keeps giving worse and worse prize support every year, I'd be surprised if 5-10 years down the road the game simply doesn't exist anymore. It only caters to the jobless super-rich, of which this is a rare category.
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