Group Deck Design

[John Galli]

Yeah forgot about that for divine reckoning, nm.

Well I like green a lot for the Saffi package. Also blue wouldn't be terribly interesting to me as I usually don't like to play counterspells, although I see where you're going with the fabricate stuff. I also don't like R/U/W that much as a color combination, it's nice to have ramp and such in the deck. I realize I say this after posting an empress galina deck on here, but in general I'm just not a big counter guy (I liked her more for the "all-in" approach if I'm going to do it)

If anything, I thought about maybe cutting the sunforger package and using Karador as my general and focusing on saffi. Black brings in a lot of fun tutors like Jarad's Orders, I could still play congregation at dawn, the elf that searches for six drops (blanking on name), and a plethora of other creature diggers (primal command, brutalizer exarch, etc).

I know what you're saying though, when playing Naya on a budget I can't get cards like Enlightened Tutor and I don't have access to the black tutors so it makes it hard to find a Sunforger. But I didn't mean for the deck to be a "Sunforger deck", that's just one toolbox outlet of it. I've got hoarding dragon which can dig it up, although not in an ideal fashion, and I did find monetary room to fit stonehewer giant as you see in the list.

I agree though on the colors, something seems off. I just don't know if I want Naya for this package. I feel like I'd have a lot more fun with the Karador / Saffi focus, or trying something different alltogether. I tried brainstorming a little with Krenko yesterday but just didn't like the lists I was seeing online and ideas I was skimming in magiccards.info

[abeckett]

Honestly, when I ran RUW sunforger deck, it bored the hell out of me. I kind of like the idea of running it in with green instead of blue, since you will have less of a focus on trying to find it ASAP.

One card I would highly suggest with the package is Mistveil Plains or Reito Lantern, since they allow you to recycle your instants back into the deck.

[John Galli]

Yeah, mistveil plains was out of stock but a definite auto-include. Thanks for the tip on the lantern, forgot about that one.

[John Galli]

Obviously I would need to work in more non-basic lands, but here's a possible start if I ditched the sunforger package and went more towards Saffi. I'm actually blown away by how much I could include in the $50 budget for this one and appreciate any thoughts (some stuff I didn't include because CFB was out of stock)-

[EDH] $50 Karador, Ghost Chieftain

Commander (1)
1 Karador, Ghost Chieftain

Creatures (35)
1 Dauntless Escort
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Havester of Souls
1 Soul of the Harvest
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Yavimaya Elder
1 Indrik Stomphowler
1 Gleancrawler
1 Golgari Thug
1 Archon of Justice
1 Martyred Rusalka
1 Kessig Cagebreakers
1 Mentor of the Meek
1 Phyrexian Delver
1 Rune-Scarred Demon
1 Sun Titan
1 Acidic Slime
1 Brutalizer Exarch
1 Krosan Tusker
1 Teneb, the Harvester
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
1 Drooling Groodion
1 Stinkweed Imp
1 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
1 Pelakka Wurm
1 Sunblast Angel
1 Fierce Empath
1 Farhaven Elf
1 Order of Whiteclay
1 Fleshbag Marauder
1 Saffi Eriksdotter
1 Bone Shredder
1 Phyrexian Plaguelord
1 Butcher of Malakir
1 Terastodon

Artifacts (3)
1 Mimic Vat
1 Crystal Ball
1 Skullclamp

Enchantments (5)
1 Martyr’s Bond
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Underworld Connections
1 Phyrexian Reclamation
1 Prison Term

Instants (4)
1 Oblation
1 Congregation at Dawn
1 Return to Dust
1 Beast Within

Sorceries (13)
1 Kodama’s Reach
1 Austere Command
1 Increasing Ambition
1 Diabolic Revelation
1 Diabolic Tutor
1 Phyrexian Rebirth
1 Buried Alive
1 Primal Growth
1 Brainspoil
1 Farseek
1 Jarad’s Orders
1 Growth Spasm
1 Rampant Growth

Lands (39)
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Selesnya Sanctuary
1 Golgari Rot Farm
1 Orzhov Basilica
1 Rupture Spire
1 Transguild Promenade
1 Golgari Guildgate
1 Selesnya Guildgate
1 Graypelt Refuge
1 Exotic Orchard
28 Basic Lands

[Travis Lannoye]

I'm actually not too surprised by this. Most of the good BG spells from any Jund deck translate over to Karador as well, and the few red/white cards in either Jund or BWG colors aren't very expensive.

Also, don't forget the new Gate cards from RTR. They're probably very cheap ways to fix non-friendly colors.

[John Galli]

added them to the list. I was just surprised because a lot of these cards seem good, I don't remember being able to fit all this into a budget deck, but alas, maybe CFB is just awesome.

I'm actually fairly tempted to order this, but likely have to postpone for a little while. Any other suggestions on changes you guys would make to that above list?

Edit* realized the crystal ball i had on the list was foil because CFB was out of regulars, that added $1.75 to my budget and I fit in exotic orchard and graypelt refuge

[abeckett]

Drooling Groodion seems a little too expensive. I like the RTR B/G guildmage in that slot instead.

I also think Unburial Rites might be worth a slot.

[John Galli]

Excellent suggestions Andrew, and I agree Groodion, while a cool card, is the first one I was considering cutting for that very reason.

Financially I'll probably regret it later but I caved and bought the list Karador $50 Budget EDH here I come-

$50 Karador, Ghost Chieftain

Commander (1)
1 Karador, Ghost Chieftain

Creatures (35)
1 Dauntless Escort
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Havester of Souls
1 Soul of the Harvest
1 Sakura-Tribe Elder
1 Yavimaya Elder
1 Indrik Stomphowler
1 Gleancrawler
1 Golgari Thug
1 Archon of Justice
1 Martyred Rusalka
1 Kessig Cagebreakers
1 Mentor of the Meek
1 Phyrexian Delver
1 Rune-Scarred Demon
1 Sun Titan
1 Acidic Slime
1 Brutalizer Exarch
1 Krosan Tusker
1 Teneb, the Harvester
1 Sheoldred, Whispering One
1 Korozda Guildmage
1 Stinkweed Imp
1 Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
1 Pelakka Wurm
1 Sunblast Angel
1 Fierce Empath
1 Farhaven Elf
1 Order of Whiteclay
1 Fleshbag Marauder
1 Saffi Eriksdotter
1 Bone Shredder
1 Phyrexian Plaguelord
1 Butcher of Malakir
1 Terastodon

Artifacts (3)
1 Mimic Vat
1 Crystal Ball
1 Skullclamp

Enchantments (5)
1 Martyr’s Bond
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Underworld Connections
1 Phyrexian Reclamation
1 Prison Term

Instants (4)
1 Oblation
1 Congregation at Dawn
1 Return to Dust
1 Beast Within

Sorceries (14)
1 Kodama’s Reach
1 Austere Command
1 Increasing Ambition
1 Diabolic Revelation
1 Diabolic Tutor
1 Phyrexian Rebirth
1 Buried Alive
1 Primal Growth
1 Brainspoil
1 Farseek
1 Jarad’s Orders
1 Growth Spasm
1 Rampant Growth
1 Unburial Rites

Lands (38)
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Evolving Wilds
1 Selesnya Sanctuary
1 Golgari Rot Farm
1 Orzhov Basilica
1 Rupture Spire
1 Transguild Promenade
1 Golgari Guildgate
1 Selesnya Guildgate
1 Graypelt Refuge
1 Exotic Orchard
14 Forest
7 Plains
6 Swamp

[John Galli]

I just realized Havester of Souls is actually even cooler than I thought. He draws cards for anybody's creatures dying, not just ones you control. Definitely excited to play some of the six drops in this list

[Travis Lannoye]

Nov 9, 2012 14:01:33 GMT -5 John Galli said:

I just realized Havester of Souls is actually even cooler than I thought. He draws cards for anybody's creatures dying, not just ones you control. Definitely excited to play some of the six drops in this list

Ya, I have the Harvester in my Chainer list, although I haven't gotten a chance to play him yet.

[John Galli]

I'm working on a $50 Budget List that involves all the major black-bordered sets in magic. I'm not planning to purchase it soon but wanted to work on it nonetheless. Here was the first rough draft, I'd like to squeeze in a few more lands and a few less cards and iron out some of the weak stuff (but still keep it budget). Fun times though-

[EDH] $50 All Magic Sets Rakdos Lord of Riots

Commander (1)
1 Rakdos, Lord of Riots (Return to Ravnica)

Creatures (32)
1 Prodigal Pyromancer (10th Edition)
1 Deathbringer Thoctar (Alara Reborn)
1 Bloodfire Colossus (Apocalypse)
1 Dark Impostor (Avacyn Restored)
1 Throat Slitter (Betrayers of Kamigawa)
1 Kumano, Master Yamabushi (Champions of Kamigawa)
1 Disciple of Tevesh Szat (Coldsnap)
1 Rakka Mar (Conflux)
1 Hateflayer (Eventide)
1 Tarox Bladewing (Future Sight)
1 Joven (Homelands)
1 Bloodgift Demon (Innistrad)
1 Guiltfeeder (Judgment)
1 Withered Wretch (Legions)
1 Shriekmaw (Lorwyn)
1 Siege-Gang Commander (Magic 2010)
1 Inferno Titan (Magic 2012)
1 Thrashing Wumpus (Mercadian Masques)
1 Spitebellows (Morningtide)
1 Big Game Hunter (Planar Chaos)
1 Hammerfist Giant (Ravnica)
1 Pestilence Demon (Rise of the Eldrazi)
1 Kagemaro, First to Suffer (Saviors)
1 Spikeshot Elder (Scars of Mirrodin)
1 Ashenmoor Liege (Shadowmoor)
1 Flameblast Dragon (Shards of Alara)
1 Shard Phoenix (Stronghold)
1 Bogardan Hellkite (Time Spiral)
1 Chainer, Dementia Master (Torment)
1 Bloodshot Cyclops (Urza’s Destiny)
1 Crater Hellion (Urza’s Saga)
1 Nekrataal (Visions)

Artifacts (9)
1 Feldon’s Cane (Antiquities)
1 Darksteel Ingot (Darksteel)
1 Rakdos Signet (Dissension)
1 Crystal Ball (Magic 2011)
1 Staff of Nin (Magic 2013)
1 Talisman of Indulgence (Mirrodin)
1 Well of Discovery (Prophecy)
1 Mind Stone (Weatherlight)
1 Fellwar Stone (The Dark)

Enchantments (9)
1 Pestilence (Alpha)
1 Deathgrip (Beta)
1 Goblin War Drums (Fallen Empires)
1 Leyline of the Void (Guildpact)
1 Smoldering Tar (Invasion)
1 Enslave (New Phyrexia)
1 Form of the Dragon (Scourge)
1 Phyrexian Reclamation (Urza’s Legacy)
1 Dance of the Dead (Ice Age)

Instants (4)
1 Slaughter (Exodus)
1 Blood Lust (Legends)
1 Skeletal Scrying (Odyssey)
1 Terminate (Planeshift)

Sorceries (7)
1 Night’s Whisper (Fifth Dawn)
1 Hammer of Bogardan (Mirage)
1 Black Sun’s Zenith (Mirrodin Beseiged)
1 Massacre (Nemesis)
1 Syphon Mind (Onslaught)
1 Aftershock (Tempest)
1 Chain Reaction (Worldwake)
1 Increasing Ambition (Dark Ascension)

Lands (37)
1 Akoum Refuge (Zendikar)
1 Desert (Arabian Nights)
1 Balduvian Trading Post (Alliances)
17 Mountain
17 Swamp